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Thanks Andrew and Gavin, Slipstones is always great to escape the crowds, the bouldering eludes me but over on the far left hand side there is a great variety of routes and grades with good landings. There is a great VS – that eat one of my camms once and I had to go back to the car to fetch something heavy to wrench it out – and a slightly overhanging HVS with large flake thing at the top that always makes me struggle. Over the years Tenk has introduced me to some super pubs nearby as well.
Pen and I climbed at giggleswick south over the weekend, British limestone sports climbing is never “easy” or warm and exotic when compared to the European version but Giggleswick and Castle crag at Settle offers good routes at an amenable grade range for meager mortals like myself. It also avoids the crowds a bit, which have returned to the usual haunts of Stanage and similar. Earlier the same day we enjoyed a quick walk up Pen Y gent but it was soon swamped with the lycra clad masses, who of course have every right to be there, its just that they are a bit more “there” than they used to be 🙂 Recent trips to Scugdale have also been worthwhile and not crowded at all, its lovely sunny southerly aspect working well even after the showers.
Just catching up on this and weirdly also started watching it last week. Drawn by a dear friend who passed this year but visited often and also said great things about Iran and it’s people…and of course we know Marjan ! 🙂 would love to visit
Firstly I don’t think I am virtue signalling by laying out a view, with details. Neither am I judging in expressing that view with advice on risk management. Also I refuse to be silent in the face of false facts. As of the 8 May 37,375 people have ACTUALLY died of COVID 19 – as in its on their death certificates as having been the cause of death. This separate from the excess deaths caused by the COVID which are double this time versus last year; especially in the elderly. These are facts, not opinions. The effectiveness of the lockdown – is also irrefutable although I do have views about the way it is managed. It is not comparable to driving or anything similar, it is unique.
I am sorry if my opinions about the sport I value make some feel uncomfortable or are taken badly, personally or as petty virtue signalling or points scoring or whatever. That is clearly not the intent. I have no power over whether people climb or don’t but I hope my opinions have influence. And right now I would rather people practiced caution until the general situation changes. And if they can’t resist that they don’t take part as any form of Club event.
We of course all remain friends, I even still remain friends with people who voted for Brexit 😉
The BMC are wrong. Simple. For all the reasons Andrew has posted. And this just isn’t the same as driving a car. If driving cars killed circa 40,000 people in under two months there would be an outcry. And actually killed whilst there were restrictions on buying and driving cars. The Blitz only killed 32,000 and that took nearly a year. You just cannot compare this to the flu or anything else. Yes it is down to individual risk assessment and choice. If someone climbs with a friend and they meet the risk criteria, take protective precautions and miraculously stay apart a reasonable distance then not only is that an amazing achievement in a sport like ours, yes it is their choice. But if they don’t, if they have an accident, if they help transmission then they are removing that choice from someone else. Just because others bend the rules it is not our freedom of choice to do similar. Remember, we are able to have this debate because some freedoms have had to be limited not in spite of them. I will not judge others if they make the choice to climb. Just don’t put the Club’s name under the activity until access is accepted and the lock-down is properly relaxed. Which it very clearly hasn’t been.
There is so much that we don’t yet know about this virus. And some glimmers of light, like the antibody test with the hope that antibodies will prevent reinfection. A vaccine may be developed and produced faster than any vaccine ever, but it will still be a year at the very least, the fastest previously was 5 years I believe. It will then take a considerable time to vaccinate by priority. We may never get an effective one, we didn’t for SARs but it seemed to burn itself out; although obviously still there and there are treatment options. It MAY burn itself out but we are still learning about treatment options. We are also learning that it can kill very effectively if it takes hold. Roughly 50% of cases that enter ITU went onto oxygen and 50% who do don’t survive. That it is very contagious and easily transmitted. That it is a very lonely death being watched by strangers wearing full PPE even if their names are on the label. We are also just learning that it has residual effects post recovery, there is a growing suspicion that they may be long term for some. Similarly we are learning that children are affected in a different way. It is because there is so much we don’t know that it presents such a risk. It is because we are learning, and that takes time, that time and not filling voids with speculation that risks others is our best defence. BMI is a factor as well btw and I recall a study a long time ago that showed that most of the England rugby team had excessive BMI..go figure. Everything is about climbing.